Bukayo Saka: Saka The Net

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Completely agree with your post especially this part. Hleb over a shorter timeframe done a lot more than Rosicky but it’s not the popular choice due to the way he left us.

His contribution was so overlooked by our fanbase during that CL run to the final.

Hleb was a fantastic player, unbelievable on the ball but for an attacking player unfortunately offered virtually no goal threat. (it was kinda embarrassing)
If he had even a half decent goal output he would be rated way higher.

 

[RunTheTrap]

Completely agree with your post especially this part. Hleb over a shorter timeframe done a lot more than Rosicky but it’s not the popular choice due to the way he left us.

His contribution was so overlooked by our fanbase during that CL run to the final.

In most wing pairings, there is the main man and the backup dancer. Rosicky was always in the latter camp. As you have already mentioned, Hleb outshone Rosicky. Arshavin outshone Rosicky. Nasri outshone Rosicky. Hell, even Walcott outshone Rosicky at times.

 

[drippin]

I’m not putting anybody down. It’s not a debate Sanchez hit levels that nobody in this current have, atm.

Not in a straight way, but it was in there. I'm sure you can understand what I mean. I rarely see you praise anyone without having even a minor dig at Arsenal in some way. But I'm hopeful still.

 

[GDeep™]

Not in a straight way, but it was in there. I'm sure you can understand what I mean. I rarely see you praise anyone without having even a minor dig at Arsenal in some way. But I'm hopeful still.

I can be harsh sometimes, I agree. But that’s just me wanting more.

 

[2Smokeyy]

Hleb was a fantastic player, unbelievable on the ball but for an attacking player unfortunately offered virtually no goal threat. (it was kinda embarrassing)

He was more a link player and integral to our free flowing football which is why I wasn’t too fussed with his goal threat.

I think I appreciate him a lot more these days especially with the technical level of players around the world in the gutter and fans fixated on G/A. A stats padder like Bruno Fernandes can fool a team into thinking he’s a top tier player when in actual fact he’s very limited in his creativity and all round game.

Modern day fans need to understand a player can have a good game without scoring or assisting.

 

[RunTheTrap]

He was more a link player and integral to our free flowing football which is why I wasn’t too fussed with his goal threat.

I think I appreciate him a lot more these days especially with the technical level of players around the world in the gutter and fans fixated on G/A. A stats padder like Bruno Fernandes can fool a team into thinking he’s a top tier player when in actual fact he’s very limited in his creativity and all round game.

Modern day fans need to understand a player can have a good game without scoring or assisting.

It's all about balance. I don't think you can be considered a top attacker if you can't produce, at the bare minimum, respectable numbers. Hleb averaged three goals a season throughout his career - that is terrible, no matter how you look at it. The fact Hleb's career went down the toilet after he left Arsenal would suggest he wasn't that good either. However, I'm not going to downplay his 07/08 season, because he was immense, especially in the Champions League.

 

[2Smokeyy]

It's all about balance. I don't think you can be considered a top attacker if you can't produce, at the bare minimum, respectable numbers. Hleb averaged three goals a season throughout his career - that is terrible, no matter how you look at it. The fact Hleb's career went down the toilet after he left Arsenal would suggest he wasn't that good either. However, I'm not going to downplay his 07/08 season, because he was immense, especially in the Champions League.

Thing is before he moved to Arsenal he was pretty productive for Stuttgart. He had 22 G/A in all comps but when he made the move he had 8 assists in one campaign which was followed by 11 in 07/08.

With players similar to him and his technical ability you can adapt the system slightly for him as long as you have a proper CF who can score 20+ goals like we had with Adebayor and goals from other positions in the team. There were many players in the late 90s and 00s who weren’t as productive in that era but were fantastic players, just have a look at Seedorf’s numbers as an example. Same goes for many others like Aimar, Ortega or even a Jay Jay Okocha who was class but wasn’t really as productive in front of goal.

 

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It's all about balance. I don't think you can be considered a top attacker if you can't produce, at the bare minimum, respectable numbers. Hleb averaged three goals a season throughout his career - that is terrible, no matter how you look at it. The fact Hleb's career went down the toilet after he left Arsenal would suggest he wasn't that good either. However, I'm not going to downplay his 07/08 season, because he was immense, especially in the Champions League.

Yeah I kinda agree with most of this take tbh. I think to be considered very top level you have to produce a bit more.

No doubt Hleb was an absolute joy to watch though from a purist footballing pov.

 

[JuliusfromDenmark]

In most wing pairings, there is the main man and the backup dancer. Rosicky was always in the latter camp. As you have already mentioned, Hleb outshone Rosicky. Arshavin outshone Rosicky. Nasri outshone Rosicky. Hell, even Walcott outshone Rosicky at times.

That is simply because Rosicky wasn't a very good player.

 

[DJ_Markstar]

Interesting

"Thanks very much Alex!"

 

[Riou]

Rosicky was a top player, was unbelievable at Dortmund as their main playmaker...when he came here we already had Cesc who was generational so he always kinda had to play out of position, and he was still quality there pre injury.

Funny character too...loved heavy metal, hated Sp**s, 18 month ban for a coke addiction...good guy all round!

 

[Mitch]

Pires >>>> Sanchez > Saka >>Rosicky.

Pires is the GOAT Arsenal No. 7, but it's a toss-up between him and Overmars. I preferred the Dutchman growing up because he was more direct and tricky. Rosicky was overrated - good but not great and seldom available.

I have strong thoughts on Sanchez, but I will keep them to myself. I will say that his final season with us would make Bruno Fernandes look like Iniesta. Sanchez had no respect for ball retention and was a hero ball merchant of disastrous consequences.

Pires was levels above Overmars technically and superior.

I disagree with comments regarding Rosicky, who technically and football IQ wise was brilliant and I believe he was a very underrated player.

There a few contributing factor against Hull in the FA cup to end our trophy drought (Santi freekick being the instigator). However what was key for us to win that match was brining on Rosicky and Wilshere as we dominated when these two came on.

 

[ArsenesCoatMaker]

18 month ban for a coke addiction

Yea I've heard these drug addiction rumours but never seen anything official. What's the smoke with this one?

Wasn't it Thomas who's partner lost a baby too? Poor fella if so

 

[Riou]

Yea I've heard these drug addiction rumours but never seen anything official. What's the smoke with this one?

I always just thought it was bollocks, it does sound very funny though

Wasn't it Thomas who's partner lost a baby too? Poor fella if so

Never heard this, poor couple.

 

[Riou]

I think Hleb would have been an elite 8 in modern football, tbh.

Crazy dribbler, brilliant passer (think his assist numbers are really good) and remember him having high workrate...would have suited that central role in an Arteta/Pep system perfectly.

His goal scoring is hilarious though, took him his full 3 year Arsenal carrer just to get double figures in all comps

 

[Maybe]

Pires >>>> Sanchez > Saka >>Rosicky.

Pires is the GOAT Arsenal No. 7, but it's a toss-up between him and Overmars. I preferred the Dutchman growing up because he was more direct and tricky. Rosicky was overrated - good but not great and seldom available.

The amount of nonsense around past teams on this forum is unreal. That team (2002-2005) never managed to get past quarter finals of the CL but you guys see it as every player we've had was the best we've ever had.

No, Pires wasn't better than Sanchez or Saka, Campbell wasn't better than Saliba/Gabriel, Vieira wasn't a superior passer of the ball, and the list goes on.

The only player who stands above everyone else without competition is Henry, the rest are easily comparable to the players we see today or the likes of Sanchez/Fabregas who left us somewhere in between.

 

[A_G]

Nah Pires is still the best of that lot. Campbell also was a monster, Saliba/Gabriel need to win a title or two before they can be talked about like him.

 

[Batman]

The amount of nonsense around past teams on this forum is unreal. That team (2002-2005) never managed to get past quarter finals of the CL but you guys see it as every player we've had was the best we've ever had.

No, Pires wasn't better than Sanchez or Saka, Campbell wasn't better than Saliba/Gabriel, Vieira wasn't a superior passer of the ball, and the list goes on.

The only player who stands above everyone else without competition is Henry, the rest are easily comparable to the players we see today or the likes of Sanchez/Fabregas who left us somewhere in between.

So the team that went Invincible wasn't as good as claimed based on not getting past the quarterfinals of the CL when every big club had a Galactico XI but this present team that has won nothing is better than that team full of World Cup winners and generational stars because...

 

[Paperino]

The amount of nonsense around past teams on this forum is unreal. That team (2002-2005) never managed to get past quarter finals of the CL but you guys see it as every player we've had was the best we've ever had.

No, Pires wasn't better than Sanchez or Saka, Campbell wasn't better than Saliba/Gabriel, Vieira wasn't a superior passer of the ball, and the list goes on.

The only player who stands above everyone else without competition is Henry, the rest are easily comparable to the players we see today or the likes of Sanchez/Fabregas who left us somewhere in between.

Clown.

 

[Maybe]

So the team that went Invincible wasn't as good as claimed based on not getting past the quarterfinals of the CL when every big club had a Galactico XI but this present team that has won nothing is better than that team full of World Cup winners and generational stars because...

This a classic AM post twisting, can you highlight where I've said that this team is better than them, or are you just gonna admit you twisted my post so you can put your funny meme on it?

I've never said it wasn't an amazing team, but I will also never say every player in every position was the best we've ever had like most people do on this forum.

Also, if you think Parker, Hasselbaink, Gudjonsen, Bridge, and Melchiot were Galacticos then maybe I should put in a funny meme for you