Mesut Özil: Över and Öut

[Riou]

I’ll be quitting AM if it’s not removed in 24 hours. Hope @American_Gooner takes notice.

You have been wanting to leave AM for years now, but have always bottled it...maybe this can be the little push you need?

I reckon this is a good thing for you.

 

[GDeep™]

You have been wanting to leave AM for years now, but have always bottled it...maybe this can be the little push you need?

I reckon this is a good thing for you.

**** off @Riou

 

[Riou]

**** off @Riou

I mean it will be you who will be ****ing off in what, 23 hours and 55 minutes now?

Unless of course you come crawling back, as you usually do after saying you are done...

 

[Blood on the Tracks]

I’ll be quitting AM if it’s not removed in 24 hours. Hope @American_Gooner takes notice.

what’s happened to him? He’s just got old and washed up, like every other player.

Think it’s also dangerous to question his mentality, the guy has played for the best clubs, at the highest level and won stuff. His creative stats are some of the best ever. He won 4 trophies at Arsenal when we had that barren run.

He was washed up by the age of 28 though, that's not normal. Not like he suffered a lot of major injuries either.

His mentality has been questioned pretty much everywhere he's been. Madrid weren't okay with selling him due to lack of talent. Major issues here and now the Fener chairman saying he needs to concentrate on his game. There's a theme.

Either there's a football wide conspiracy against him or he's not got the greatest mentality or drive.

He's one of the most gifted footballers to play for Arsenal but when you think of stand out moments in big games for Arsenal, how many did he have? Not many. Ramsey legitimately has more and he's a far inferior player talent wise.

 

[GDeep™]

He was washed up by the age of 28 though, that's not normal. Not like he suffered a lot of major injuries either.

His mentality has been questioned pretty much everywhere he's been. Madrid weren't okay with selling him due to lack of talent. Major issues here and now the Fener chairman saying he needs to concentrate on his game. There's a theme.

Either there's a football wide conspiracy against him or he's not got the greatest mentality or drive.

He's one of the most gifted footballers to play for Arsenal but when you think of stand out moments in big games for Arsenal, how many did he have? Not many. Ramsey legitimately has more and he's a far inferior player talent wise.

What you talking about? At 28 he was getting 16 goals and assists in 32 league games? The season after he got 12 assists and goals in 25 league games. The season before he was chasing down Thierry Henry’s all time PL assist record and got 25 goals and assists in 35 games. In these times he was also winning FA Cups and getting voted by fans as MOTM in finals.

He fell off when Arteta came and the political bs started.

 

[GDeep™]

He was washed up by the age of 28 though, that's not normal. Not like he suffered a lot of major injuries either.

His mentality has been questioned pretty much everywhere he's been. Madrid weren't okay with selling him due to lack of talent. Major issues here and now the Fener chairman saying he needs to concentrate on his game. There's a theme.

Either there's a football wide conspiracy against him or he's not got the greatest mentality or drive.

He's one of the most gifted footballers to play for Arsenal but when you think of stand out moments in big games for Arsenal, how many did he have? Not many. Ramsey legitimately has more and he's a far inferior player talent wise.

The last bit, he would’ve won us the league had Giroud not missed all his chances for 3 months. It was Özil who was the driving force that season, he was so good he was chasing down Henry’s all time PL assist record, which i think still isn’t broken. Think only Özil and De Bruyne have come close.

 

[Garrincha]

its a bit odd how all Özil / Cesc / Ramsey / Jack / Nasri dropped off so early

the oldest must be 33/34 now & all either retired or been a much lower performance level for years

 

[GDeep™]

@Blood on the Tracks cant remember any big games, when Özil actually had one of the most astounding PL seasons ever - Top 10 Players With The Most Assists in a Premier League Season

He was also 27/28 here. When @Blood on the Tracks says he was “washed up”.

 

[GDeep™]

@Blood on the Tracks is all over the place here.

 

[Macho]

I criticised Özil a lot towards the end, but he has absolutely nothing to prove to anybody.

Laughing at his fall off at 33 in Turkish league is a bit..whatever. I laugh at modern Arsenal nowadays and fans who think midtable shenanigans is progress, so who am I to judge I suppose.

 

[Blood on the Tracks]

@Blood on the Tracks is all over the place here.

I made a mistake. I meant 30 instead of 28.

Again, I remember very few games against top tier opponents that he ran the show. Sure he was an assist king for a spell here.
I'm not denying he was an exceptional footballer, he just gave up around the time he got the bumper contract / Arsène left.

 

[GDeep™]

He got nearly 90 assists and goals in 180 games, won 4 trophies, was voted MOTM by fans in cup finals etc. His record speaks for itself.

1 in 2 contribution ffs.

 

[Riou]

Mes has his issues with motivation, but he has nothing to prove...World Cup winner, plus successful careers at Real and Arsenal.

Plus, I really think losing Arsène as his manager and the fallout from Germany's decline in 2018, really affected him mentally.

Glad I got to watch him at Arsenal...him and Sanchez at their best together, be hard to find better than that for us (of the Emirates era) even in the future.

 

[AberGooner]

Özil was playing some really good stuff just before he was frozen out, didn't look very washed up to me. Rejuvenated under Arteta at the start. Man U, Newcastle etc.

I think we should change the guy's name to rent free though at this point as it's coming close to 2 years since he last played for us and he's still getting moaned about.

 

[CaseUteinberger]

You still here? You post more in here than the Özil lovers.

Why not? We had huge debates around Özil and why of why not he should be played. Leaving it and just moving on to me feels a bit like unfinished business. Plus I am genuinely interested in where his career goes after leaving Arsenal.

That the Özil lovers don't really come here is pretty self-evident to me. The fact that he wasn't very good both under parts of the Wenger years, or under Emery and Arteta wasn't mainly down to them as coaches but to Özil as a player and person. I think at least some of them expected some revelation in favour of their view once he left us and went to Fenerbahce. That clearly hasn't happened so they probably want to just move on and post some highlight videos to prove their point in their own simple fashion...

 

[GDeep™]

Why not? We had huge debates around Özil and why of why not he should be played. Leaving it and just moving on to me feels a bit like unfinished business. Plus I am genuinely interested in where his career goes after leaving Arsenal.

That the Özil lovers don't really come here is pretty self-evident to me. The fact that he wasn't very good both under parts of the Wenger years, or under Emery and Arteta wasn't mainly down to them as coaches but to Özil as a player and person. I think at least some of them expected some revelation in favour of their view once he left us and went to Fenerbahce. That clearly hasn't happened so they probably want to just move on and post some highlight videos to prove their point in their own simple fashion...

I also remember you blaming him for club leaks and rejoicing that won’t happen anymore after his departure, yet those have continued, so you have to say you wrong to demonise him there?

 

[CaseUteinberger]

Who called him a saint? The argument was always he was still able to deliver but Arteta isn’t playing him for whatever reasons.

Let’s talk about guys who blamed him and has camp for “leaks” yet we are still getting leaks out of the club today? Why demonise him like that? I know a post where @CaseUteinberger was happy that he’s gone so we would not get anymore leaks, yet they still continue.

I will not do any digging in the A-M fossil records, so whatever I said then I cannot tell, but I assume my comment or comments were in connection with overall squad unity and working positively with the manager.

Since e.g. Mustafi and Özil have left, clearly squad harmony has shot through the roof. How much of that is due to them leaving and other factors I don't know, but some will surely be thanks to them leaving and taking their sulking crybaby acts somewhere else.

 

[Blaziken]

I will not do any digging in the A-M fossil records, so whatever I said then I cannot tell, but I assume my comment or comments were in connection with overall squad unity and working positively with the manager.

Since e.g. Mustafi and Özil have left, clearly squad harmony has shot through the roof. How much of that is due to them leaving and other factors I don't know, but some will surely be thanks to them leaving and taking their sulking crybaby acts somewhere else.

Great squad "harmony" explains the low expectation at arsenal?

 

[CaseUteinberger]

Great squad "harmony" explains the low expectation at arsenal?

Are you trying to make a point? If so it passed me by, but there we are...

 

[Blaziken]

Are you trying to make a point? If so it passed me by, but there we are...

My point is that there was a valid reason for players being unhappy at the situation we've been in. A good team with ambitious players would not be content at being 5, 6th or whatever.