Unai Emery

[Riou]

Dusted reference

"Keep my Coq, out of your ****ing mouth!"

 

[AbouCuéllar]

He's a watered down version of Mourinho (pre-2012-13 Madrid, when he wasn't yet **** and past it), in that sense I haven't given him enough credit.

In the league or a large sample size he's **** and basically a poor manager, but in a tournament scenario where he can play as the underdog without having to propose football or anything other than good discipline, structure, and motivation within those conditions of underdog and tournament conditions, he flourishes.

Basically, like Mourinho, he shouldn't ever manage clubs like Arsenal or Madrid or PSG where he needs to propose actual football, or where the expectation of being the favourite or 'overdog' is usually there, but he is a good fit for Sevillas and Villarreals if they are willing to sacrifice league results for tournament results, and this is something I haven't recognised sufficiently, just as I didn't with Mourinho at times*, putting it down simply to the variance and short sample sizes of cup competitions. But now with this Bayern performance and another success last season in Europe even if it came at the expense of poor oppositions like us and United, there is enough sample and evidence that it seems this is something that must be recognised and is hard to put down to other factors other than this.

*I say watered down version of Mourinho in Emery's case because Mourinho's league results far surpass Em*ry's in his (Mou's) good period, Em*ry quite simply has never been a good manager in a league context, whereas Mourinho has more or less met expectations at Madrid--2 out of 3 good seasons, albeit with perhaps the best squad of this century after Guardiola's Barça--and met or surpassed them at Inter, Chelsea in his first stint, and Porto in the league.

 

[Tom Mix]

He's a watered down version of Mourinho (pre-2012-13 Madrid, when he wasn't yet **** and past it), in that sense I haven't given him enough credit.

In the league or a large sample size he's **** and basically a poor manager, but in a tournament scenario where he can play as the underdog without having to propose football or anything other than good discipline, structure, and motivation within those conditions of underdog and tournament conditions, he flourishes.

Basically, like Mourinho, he shouldn't ever manage clubs like Arsenal or Madrid or PSG where he needs to propose actual football, or where the expectation of being the favourite or 'overdog' is usually there, but he is a good fit for Sevillas and Villarreals if they are willing to sacrifice league results for tournament results, and this is something I haven't recognised sufficiently, just as I didn't with Mourinho at times*, putting it down simply to the variance and short sample sizes of cup competitions. But now with this Bayern performance and another success last season in Europe even if it came at the expense of poor oppositions like us and United, there is enough sample and evidence that it seems this is something that must be recognised and is hard to put down to other factors other than this.

*I say watered down version of Mourinho in Emery's case because Mourinho's league results far surpass Em*ry's in his (Mou's) good period, Em*ry quite simply has never been a good manager in a league context, whereas Mourinho has more or less met expectations at Madrid--2 out of 3 good seasons, albeit with perhaps the best squad of this century after Guardiola's Barça--and met or surpassed them at Inter, Chelsea in his first stint, and Porto in the league.

Propose good football to who? The soccer experts known as the Kroenkes? In your scenario (which I do not necessarily subscribe to) Emery was actually the ideal fit once they decided to ditch Wenger. Ambitious, but not too ambitious ie keep the plebs happy with a trophy while disguising the lack of investment necessary for the club to really be amongst the world elite. I may have been an Arsenal fan but we do not figure in the average punter's list of all-time top teams and it's only in the early part of the Wenger era that we flirted (briefly) with the idea of joining the big boys.

The Kroenkes will always find someone to throw to the wolves. Might be Emery, Ljungberg, Aubameyang or whoever... one day it will be Arteta's turn. And the fans will leap up and down with excitement braying their delight that the new millennium is finally arriving. Fooled again.

 

[AbouCuéllar]

Propose good football to who? The soccer experts known as the Kroenkes? In your scenario (which I do not necessarily subscribe to) Emery was actually the ideal fit once they decided to ditch Wenger. Ambitious, but not too ambitious ie keep the plebs happy with a trophy while disguising the lack of investment necessary for the club to really be amongst the world elite. I may have been an Arsenal fan but we do not figure in the average punter's list of all-time top teams and it's only in the early part of the Wenger era that we flirted (briefly) with the idea of joining the big boys.

The Kroenkes will always find someone to throw to the wolves. Might be Emery, Ljungberg, Aubameyang or whoever... one day it will be Arteta's turn. And the fans will leap up and down with excitement braying their delight that the new millennium is finally arriving. Fooled again.

Yeah, sorry, late at night when I posted this and a bit of spanglish came out: by propose football I mean be forced to offer some form of front-foot football, plan matches where your team is the protagonist and will be forced to carry the initiative; basically train players for a positive form of football, with coherent plans in possession and for controlling the game with the ball.

Re: the points about Arsenal and where we figure in the world's elite I don't disagree completely, I put us in that comment with Madrid and PSG more because of our identity / philosophy as a club... I said when we hired Em*ry that perhaps more important than Wenger's legacy in terms of what he did for the club for results (which in the end is somewhat checkered--European football failure and lack of overall titles in the 20+ years-- though obviously on the whole quite positive), was the legacy he left and identity and philosophy and perception of the club as a sort of English Barça, and that hiring Em*ry was bad business for that reason too (aside from him being a poor hire), because he put that legacy, probably Wenger's greatest achievement at Arsenal, at serious risk.

Re: Em*ry being the ideal fit in my scenario when we decided to ditch Wenger, well, I couldn't agree less...it was a disastrous hire, and the way he consequently set the club back and accelerated our decline as our competitors continued to make up ground and surpass us confirms that.

 

[Tom Mix]

Yeah, sorry, late at night when I posted this and a bit of spanglish came out: by propose football I mean be forced to offer some form of front-foot football, plan matches where your team is the protagonist and will be forced to carry the initiative; basically train players for a positive form of football, with coherent plans in possession and for controlling the game with the ball.

Re: the points about Arsenal and where we figure in the world's elite I don't disagree completely, I put us in that comment with Madrid and PSG more because of our identity / philosophy as a club... I said when we hired Em*ry that perhaps more important than Wenger's legacy in terms of what he did for the club for results (which in the end is somewhat checkered--European football failure and lack of overall titles in the 20+ years-- though obviously on the whole quite positive), was the legacy he left and identity and philosophy and perception of the club as a sort of English Barça, and that hiring Em*ry was bad business for that reason too (aside from him being a poor hire), because he put that legacy, probably Wenger's greatest achievement at Arsenal, at serious risk.

Re: Em*ry being the ideal fit in my scenario when we decided to ditch Wenger, well, I couldn't agree less...it was a disastrous hire, and the way he consequently set the club back and accelerated our decline as our competitors continued to make up ground and surpass us confirms that.

Yeah I got you on the spanglish! I mean Emery was an ideal fit for the Kroenkes needs. But I still insist if he'd won the Europa League - we didn't win any European trophies with Wenger - he would have stayed and it might have been a success. It was close, even if the final wasn't.

The idea that Arsenal is a "football-playing team" only came about with Wenger. We were hoofers for much of the 70s and 80s and the glory years of George Graham were built on grit and (here I'll slip in some spanglish too) Numantine defence rather than glorious football. We still sing 1-0 to the Arsenal.

 

[Deleted member 102404]

This guy is about to end the season losing a European semi final and failing to qualify for Europe next year.
Someone else did that last year...

 

[Tir Na Nog]

@Macho @Trilly it's the least some of our fans deserved given how he was treated compared to certain other man.

 

[Trilly]

@Macho @Trilly it's the least some of our fans deserved given how he was treated compared to certain other man.

What a guy

 

[A_G]

 

[Tir Na Nog]

Run it back, who says no? Imagine what he could have done if he was backed.

 

[UpTheGunnerz]

Unai will forever be my man, my Morningstar, my evening tea, my freshly washed sheets

 

[Chris Red]

Yeah, sorry, late at night when I posted this and a bit of spanglish came out: by propose football I mean be forced to offer some form of front-foot football, plan matches where your team is the protagonist and will be forced to carry the initiative; basically train players for a positive form of football, with coherent plans in possession and for controlling the game with the ball.

Re: the points about Arsenal and where we figure in the world's elite I don't disagree completely, I put us in that comment with Madrid and PSG more because of our identity / philosophy as a club... I said when we hired Em*ry that perhaps more important than Wenger's legacy in terms of what he did for the club for results (which in the end is somewhat checkered--European football failure and lack of overall titles in the 20+ years-- though obviously on the whole quite positive), was the legacy he left and identity and philosophy and perception of the club as a sort of English Barça, and that hiring Em*ry was bad business for that reason too (aside from him being a poor hire), because he put that legacy, probably Wenger's greatest achievement at Arsenal, at serious risk.

Re: Em*ry being the ideal fit in my scenario when we decided to ditch Wenger, well, I couldn't agree less...it was a disastrous hire, and the way he consequently set the club back and accelerated our decline as our competitors continued to make up ground and surpass us confirms that.

I could not agree more. I was completely disappointed when he was chosen for Arsenal. Besides, I'm French and I saw his work in Paris. Very poor to me as his squad was really promising with gifted players.

Though, I started to follow Arsenal when Wenger arrived, I knew a few games at the time of Ian Wright, I was very young. Wenger built something of Arsenal, as Ferguson did something great in Manchester. Despite the fact that his final years were quite disappointing, Arsenal played regurlaly the Champions League and showed a very attractive football. Maybe Arsenal played differently before Wenger but his period means so much. A disgrace to me to have hired Emery.

However, I still hope that Arteta will walk on the same direction. Anyway, it was certain that it would be difficult to stay competitive. Look Manchester they are falling apart. In France, I saw the same thing when Guy Roux left Auxerre. It's not so bad after all for Arsenal. Now, I think Emery was a transition. It could have been worse.

 

[MartiSaka]

My boy is back in the PL! Aston Villa going to win a cup now.

 

[say yes]

Put some respect on his name.

 

[say yes]

Aged well tbf.

Inherited a squad without natural leaders, Özil and Kolasinac were bums, Pepe wasn’t ready / the player we hoped he’d be..

Think once my Arteta apology box is full I’m going to open an Unai Emery one.

 

[GDeep™]

Aged well tbf.

Inherited a squad without natural leaders, Özil and Kolasinac were bums, Pepe wasn’t ready / the player we hoped he’d be..

Think once my Arteta apology box is full I’m going to open an Unai Emery one.

His biggest issue was not getting the players he wanted the summer before he was sacked. Openly said in an interview Arsenal have no money.

I’m sure there were other difficulties with players and characters, but that’s top club football.

 

[say yes]

His biggest issue was not getting the players he wanted the summer before he was sacked. Openly said in an interview Arsenal have no money.

I’m sure there were other difficulties with players and characters, but that’s top club football.

Yep, and genuinely think it was a poisoned chalice to take over the club after Wenger. The language barrier was also a huge issue.

Had to be sacked when he lost the dressing room, but I don’t think the Arteta rebuild is possible without Emery starting the process.

 

[OnlyOne]

His biggest issue was not getting the players he wanted the summer before he was sacked. Openly said in an interview Arsenal have no money.

I’m sure there were other difficulties with players and characters, but that’s top club football.

No. We had money, we spent it on the wrong players. We had that nerd Sven Mislintat bringing in Bumdesliga players. I remember lots crying and throwing up when he left.

 

[GDeep™]

No. We had money, we spent it on the wrong players. We had that nerd Sven Mislintat bringing in Bumdesliga players. I remember lots crying and throwing up when he left.

Weren’t the Sven signings mainly free, small fees and kids?

 

[A_G]

No. We had money, we spent it on the wrong players. We had that nerd Sven Mislintat bringing in Bumdesliga players. I remember lots crying and throwing up when he left.

Pepe was the only big signing we made under Sven and he wanted Ismail Sarr.